Collaborating for Joy: Trans-Led Community Goals for 2025

In this inspiring episode, Bonnie Violet and Pacey dive deep into the heart of what makes trans-led spaces so powerful. They reflect on the importance of creating communities that not only support but also center the experiences and voices of trans and non-binary individuals. As they look toward the year 2025, they share their exciting plans and goals for growing and strengthening these spaces in Boise and beyond. From creating opportunities for collaboration to fostering authentic allyship, Bonnie Violet and Pacey explore how we can collectively move beyond mere tolerance and build a culture of radical love, joy, and mutual support.

With special attention to the work being done in Trans Joy Boise, they discuss how to engage and uplift trans-led initiatives, making space for all forms of trans joy to be celebrated. This episode is a call to action for listeners who want to contribute to the empowerment of trans communities, whether by participating in upcoming projects, offering support as allies, or simply embracing trans joy in their daily lives. Tune in for a conversation full of hope, inspiration, and practical ways you can get involved to create a brighter, more inclusive future for all.

Transcript

okay we are recording yep we're recording there all right hey everyone welcome to trans joy boise I am pacey transmasc and I use they he pronouns and this is my lovely co-host hi everyone I'm bonnie violet trans femme gender queer I use she they pronouns and I'm super stoked to be here on the trans joy boise podcast I love that how are you just switched it up a little bit yeah like yes uh good good I'm exhausted I've been working out a lot and I am feeling it today yes well and it's we're recording on the day after new year's so our I don't have much recovery from the new year because I don't like I don't, New Year's Eve, like some folks do anymore. Like I babysat my niece that was like four for a couple hours so that her parents could go out. And then her parents came and we like at midnight, we were like, oh shit, it's twelve o'clock. And we had some like apple, what's that? Apple cider stuff. And then yesterday I spent some time with my guy. Yeah. And yeah, it was just very lucky. How about you? yeah I mean I I certainly used to go hard on new year's you know back in the day but not in a very long time. So we just kind of relaxed at home. We were going to go and watch the, the fireworks, but our potato drop potato drop. Yeah. But we, I was walking the dog a little bit earlier and people were setting off fireworks and he was not happy about that. Yes. We decided to stay home with him. And then yesterday we just kind of relaxed at home. I played a bunch of like video games and we, clean just pretty boring but it was nice to just kind of relax and not work yeah I vegged out yesterday too uh he had made like a seafood boil which was pretty good yeah yeah it was it was a lot but it was really good yeah um so we thought we would spend some time talking about twenty twenty five and kind of like what we are anticipating is going to take place or what we'd like to, or even just part of it is just hopefully putting an offering up to folks to begin to collaborate more with us or continue to collaborate with us in the future. So this is gonna be kind of like a little brainstormy maybe, as well as just, again, hopefully an opportunity for folks to see where you can jump in as well in the projects or in Transroad Boise or how we can connect with you all. yeah you all I think that's really important because we've talked about it in the past about how important it is right now for things to be trans-led and I think that the things that we've done so far have been a great example of it but we want to kind of broaden that reach and then just have help the trans and non-binary community grow and have these events that aren't necessarily run by us, but that people can attend and feel like they're in community. Right, right. And I think really focusing on lifting up trans and non-binary people and the work of trans and non-binary people. I think we've had a lucky opportunity of kind of being, I think, in the the light at the moment, but there are trans-led organizations that have been doing the work for a while. And there are a lot of new folks that are trans folks that are, you know, maybe they're putting together a yoga class or they're putting together a show or, you know, they're leaders in their own right in their lives and they're doing things that are beneficial to our community, but maybe not as widespread known and so we really want to do what we can to try to uplift the entire community um and kind of the different things that it finds important and significant and what the individuals put their time and energy into I guess because everyone has their own thing that they're into you know like there's this group that I follow it's not trans but it's just it's local it's in boise where it's just anyone who is into skateboarding they meet up and they go skateboard these are people any age and they've maybe never even stood on a skateboard before and they all meet up and they go and they just go because they love it even if they're terrible at it and I want to go so bad but just something like that so like well I know in our community we have people that are into martial arts that are into painting that are into skateboarding that are into sports that are into all of these things makeup and beauty and fashion so we should have such a range like groups that you can go and participate in anything like that with like-minded people. Yeah, because some of it could be like, okay, maybe a trans person might feel nervous about, say, going to the skating club, right? But if they knew another trans person was going or non-binary person was going or has gone or was connected in some sort of way, it might make them feel that much more better or maybe we could do a buddy setup or a group outing or something like that so that um so that we can kind of so maybe more folks could participate in those arenas and we can also do things that aren't just like like just about centering being trans, which I know is something you talk a lot about and have talked a lot about, is just this idea of living beyond being trans and being seen in the world, hopefully, as more than just our transness. yeah it's really exhausting to me honestly that we are all reduced to just this one thing about ourselves you know like we are trans and that's it and I like to focus more on everything else about us and like that is the thing that unifies us you know in a lot of instances yeah but that those aren't the things that define us yeah and I like to focus on the things that we're passionate about that we're interested in because those are the things you know that add more to our lives than just this trait that we have yeah I think they definitely allow us to be more evolved and and fuller people but I think even in and of that just by us being out in community and all in all these other parts of communities we are beginning to impact the greater um whole if you will of like say boise in the boise area in the sense of what their experience is with trans people and who trans people are to them to non-trans people um and what it is that we do with our lives and activities that we do you know I think people begin to get a little bit broader spectrum of who we are and what we do but also it allows us to be able to just um do more than just be a trans person. Exactly, because I think there's such a stereotype to it. And I think that there is this very specific picture that people think of when they think of trans people or even just queer people in general. We can even limit ourselves in that too. It can be really difficult for me at times to live beyond my transness or to really try to let go of my transness in order to be in a certain space and so I think you know I think to some degree that's like the next step for some folks I think some of us may not quite be in that spot yet and so that's why it's also I think important for us to have trans led trans created space for trans and non-binary people totally So that we can have that kind of safety or bravery to be in community with one another so that we can begin to, I think, go out into the broader world and have a more fuller experience. Yeah. No, I completely agree with that. I think... that it's really important to have our own spaces so we can just we don't have to worry about how we're presenting ourselves because I do think about that too like how we are representing the trans community and that's exhausting too as you and I but also just any trans person in public yeah exactly so But I also think that it's important to be able to do the things that have nothing to do with being trans. I agree. Because I think that that being part of your identity, especially right now in the political climate we find ourselves in, it's exhausting to always be that. So I think I'm really excited to see what we come up with and what other people come up with. Are there any projects that come to your mind that for twenty twenty five that you're excited about or thinking about? so far probably the comedy show that you were telling me about yeah yeah yeah tell me more about that yeah so I I wish I had more and more information will come and like check it out but um my old manager of the funny bone comedy club brian lee is one of the co-owners and managers longtime friend um managers of um the lounge at the into the universe I think that's the name I always kind of fumble it up a little bit if it's incorrect I will be sure to clarify that yeah lounge at the end of the universe and um and they're doing an event in march with with an all trans comedy class um and it has something to do with like finding a place to pee or I just want to pee or, you know, so it's kind of like the play on the bathroom issues with us as trans and non-binary folks. And so they asked us to like come and be a part of that and help get the word out and also be like kind of a MC, if you will, I think. of the event. And so I'm really looking forward to that collaboration. And they reached out to us. So that was a really cool thing that we didn't sit around and think like, hmm, let's do a comedy show. But they were like, hey, we're going to do this comedy show. Let's reach out to the community and see if they can get involved. And I think the aspect that's really great about that is that they're looking to invest in the community. pay folks and get into things versus just kind of like getting the community to come to them as kind of like another money grab, which if people are trying to get money from us, I mean, but you know what I mean? Like there's kind of like that, I think trans and non-binary-ness is kind of a bit of a hot topic for folks. And there is kind of this, like, I don't know, there's just this thing we've had experiences with feeling exploited or tapped into in order to connect to our community. And it just feels like this is a really ideal and appropriate way for us to collaborate with an allied organization or group. See, I love that because we've experienced it as trans Troy Boise, but we've also experienced it just as trans people. And it's so fucking annoying when people come to you and at first their idea sounds genuine right but then the more you hear about it you realize they're doing this because they want to capitalize on our status right now because we're so politicized like you can't turn on the news without seeing stuff about trans people and I just, that feels so gross in a way that I almost can't even explain. And I don't feel like that's the only... thing that like I think people are genuinely they do genuinely want to help out and they do want to be like allies and they want to work with us but sometimes when it comes down to like the numbers of of money or people coming in or kind of like the business outside of it sometimes that tends to trump or seems to come out stronger than the initial because I do like to think that people have great intent yeah and things just got murky once some of these things started coming at play, which... You are so much more compassionate towards people because my thought is just, I imagine these people are like, yeah, they probably do want to do some good, but I think that there is definitely some forethought that goes into yeah how to somehow capitalize on what's going on right now whether that's like selling tickets to something whether it's you know having more people read your article or watch your shows you know and I think that it's becoming increasingly common for that to happen so when we have like an authentic group or person come along that wants to genuinely help and you know work with the community and for the community I think that's beautiful and I really want to you know do whatever we can to facilitate more of those connections right yeah and um I think the the thing that I was thinking about with that too is is the lighting with an issue maybe just yeah I was seeing it come on you and I was like that's okay I think where we were, we had a little, yeah, what I think Yes, and I think one of the things that's important for us is to be able to teach allies and organizations that are working with us on how to do that. Because I think a lot of folks just don't know. And I think even for me and you, at first we got into a lot of these things just excited to be working with people and then we came to kind of learn some things along the way and I think it's important even just as a trans individual to realize that even if you're not attached to an organization this that the other there is an opportunity for people to exploit you or get into relationship you with you in a way that could be toxic and harmful to you um and so it's partially thinking about I don't think so. I don't think it's just relevant to an organization. I think it's relevant to all trans non-binary people. So it's really important for us to be mindful as we get into some of those. And now we know a little bit more of the questions to ask or some of the lines, the I's that need to be dotted and the T's that need to be crossed when we start to begin working in these collaborations. And that's not necessarily to paint a negative light on anything that has happened so far, but I think it's a learning process for so many of us in really figuring out how can we begin to move forward. in a way that truly centers the trans and non-binary experience in a way that leads to the liberation of us as a community. And that is intersectional and is beneficial and helpful to the greater Black community, whether it's the greater LGBTQ community or the general, you know, population. Not an exclusion to that, but just, do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. So I think, yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. No, I agree. I think that it's just a learning experience. And everything has been changing so rapidly in the last couple months, just with politics and public scrutiny. And I think that... learning how to navigate that with with grace and patience is has been a challenge for me so far but I think that it's very doable it's just something that as trans people we're all going to have to figure out how we're each personally going to handle it because I don't foresee it slowing down. No, I think it's just going to, you know, kind of speed up. Yeah. Especially after the twentieth, you know. So I agree. yeah and that kind of leads me into like one of the things that I'm really excited about is like our monthly what we're calling the trans joy boise cafe which was kind of a spin-off from like a name change kind of legal paperwork kind of party in collaboration with united uh the unitarian universalist church um and I'm really excited about having a monthly opportunity for us to get together kind of at that same sort of um energy of just kind of coming together and being with one another and helping us through whatever we're going through at that time. And so for some of us, it may be paperwork and documentation and legal stuff that's become even more and more important right now. due to politics and what have you. So I think that's something that's gonna continue to be a piece of that Trans Joy Boise Cafe. But I think another big part of that was, is we had, yes, we had professionals and people who work in this stuff, but we also had just other trans and non-binary people who came, who've been through the process, who could help walk us through the process emotionally, physically, and just being in community with one another. And I'm excited to, one, begin to each month craft an experience that is really going to hopefully be speaking to what is happening in the now for our community and having a space for people to come as they are and for us to kind of be with one another in community and what that is going to look like I'm not entirely sure you know but I do feel like it's going to be about creating space in which we can kind of hold um hold one another in the spaces of joy, in the spaces of anger, in the spaces of grief and loss and celebration. And I'm really excited to kind of, you know, one connect with other collaborators who can really help us kind of channel that anger or channel the grief, you know, and that might be a mental health thing, or it might be more of a social support thing, or, you know, I think there's so many opportunities for us to kind of have this once a month, all trans all for trans and non-binary folks um centered around really helping us have more joy filled and hopefully like I don't know just really helping us with living yeah in general and I think it will be I think that you know, we've gotten a lot of feedback on the idea of the cafe of having somewhere, because that's a huge thing that people don't really know about. I haven't done a lot of it myself, where you can go and find out how to get your gender marker changed, how to get your name legally changed, all of these things. I think that's going to be fantastic. And like a monthly thing where we can all get together and talk about that and kind of do current events. But that also leads into, what you were mentioning with these other themes, right? And like anger, grief, because these are, are all emotions, heavy emotions that we're all grappling with. And a lot in a lot of ways that are new and unfamiliar, you know, like having to mourn the rights that you had as a person, it's, it's, it's a foreign concept for me anyway. And I think that, learning to navigate that with other trans and non-binary people it's going to be so valuable and I think that that's one of my biggest goals for this coming year is setting up places and communities where we can do that like if it's some sort of group or like we're talking about yoga I think that Any way that we can get rid of these heavy emotions and find a way to stay mindful and centered and focused on the things that truly matter is going to be really important for us in at least the next couple years. Yeah. I mean, I think really helping people try to stay in the now and not get caught into the hysterics of it all without pretending or avoiding it. like pretending it's not a thing or avoiding or poly-any-ing it, but more of just like, or poly, I'm like, what's the non-gendered poly-patting it? You know, but to be able to authentically like work through some of that stuff, but with the idea that we're getting on the other side of this stuff, not getting stuck in the muck and mire of the challenges of being trans, which is really easy to do. And it's a fine line. And I think that's the hardest part because there's healthy anger and which is also a healthy response to a lot of the things that we're facing right now but then you know being consumed by it and I think that that is a really narrow line to walk you know it's so easy to just consume it to be consumed by it but also it's in everything that we're seeing right now the media and of course like how can you not be afraid right now and angry so I want to be able to find healthy outlets for that anger because I know how toxic and poisonous it can be if you just let it fester inside of you yeah yeah and I think it's just going to keep getting worse unfortunately so we got to be prepared for that yeah anger is an important part of most movements and a major part of any sort of big growth. So, you know, it's great. It's hard to go through pain on our own and just to have other people to go through with it can be really helpful as well, for sure. Yeah, I'm really excited just to get more connected with other trans and non-binary folks that are already doing things in the community. and really doing what we can to kind of lift and elevate that. Like, you know, Frieda Knights is a trans drag performer who everyone knows. But she does a monthly all black and brown show, drag show, and she's running it, you know, and she's been doing it for a long time. And so, you know, talking about the work that she's doing and the entertainers that are a part of that. We also have had people reach out to us who want to do trans and non-binary led yoga classes, you know, and just doing, again, just kind of doing what we can to kind of help continue to elevate our community if we can in any way. you know, yeah, like if we can. And also like to participate, I'm excited to take a yoga class by a trans person. Normally I have stayed away from that, but you know, for me, sometimes the biggest fear is just like, okay, I'm gonna go into this space. Is there gonna be any trans people? How are they going to react to me being trans? You know, am I going to be able to use the bathroom while I'm there? Like, what do I wear that's going to feel OK? You know, like so to me, like those kinds of environments are they're already kind of like nervy for me anyway, even with like trans and non-binary folks. But to then be in the space, it can it can just it's just it's just enough of those extra layers that just keep me from not doing it. Yeah, no, you're right. I think that that was one of the reasons why I wanted to do the self-defense class we did about a month and a half ago. Because I'm getting back into self-defense classes. I wanted to do MMA or something just to be prepared. But I'm thinking about the kind of people who also take those classes. And I'm like, that makes me very nervous. So I would love to see more... not even classes, but groups like that where people can get together and practice stuff like that, like self-defense or the yoga is a great idea. I just... I want to feel safe when I do it. And I think that that is becoming a rarity in some of these niche classes or topics. Yeah, yeah. I'm really excited to kind of explore that. I feel like there's just so much still to kind of come to see. I feel like in so many ways, I'm just... now starting to live out loud as like a trans person in a lot of ways the last year or so which people might debate with me about but I feel like it's become a newer experience and a part of that is like I do feel like I am trying to live beyond my transness and you know what does that look like and how can I do that there are certain things I've steered away from that I'm excited to continue to kind of lead into you know with the help of other trans non-binary and and allies um you know through that process as well I think that there are going to be so many opportunities for cool events. I would love to see a trans and non-binary poetry reading or slam poetry or something like that. Oh my gosh, that would be so powerful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And all it would take is just somebody saying, let's do it. I know many of us have high ideas and have things that we'd love to see be done in our community, and maybe we're not the person that... can put it on maybe we don't even know how to do it but um that's something I hope that people could feel like they could come up to us too and some of that we could help we know what it's like to put on the event or how to get the word out and we can do some of that stuff but also if they needed a little bit more specific kind of uh connection maybe we could connect them to somebody else in the community who could really help and encourage that individual um you know to to do that because there are so many of our communities that are already doing really great things or want to do really great things or know of things that our community would benefit from and I think we all just need a little, little help, a little encouragement. I think that's really exciting. Yeah. I mean, I think that's been the biggest thing for you and I is like that we're together now in the work that we're doing. Cause I think we were doing things separately and we did what we can, but you can only go so far like that. And so it's like having a buddy, even if it's just one, even though we have more than just us. No, you're right. I think a lot of it is, for me was also imposter syndrome. You know, I was saying, well, who am I to do anything like this? And we, I really hope that, you know, just having this conversation will inspire some people to be like, no, I wanna do this. And I am the person for it because You are. You need you. Yeah, the community needs you. So I'm hoping to hear some ideas from our community to get this going because I want to attend these things. I want to learn. I want to be challenged to grow. And I can't do those. I can't run those events. Yeah, yeah. Well, the who am I, I think, is a great question for us to ask ourselves in any form of leadership. But also, I think one of the things that's really important, I think, for me is to realize that, like, we are just people among people. And just because we're put in a certain role or we're in a spotlight or we're behind the scenes or whatever doesn't make what we do any more important than the other. And so I think sometimes we can get caught up in that grandiosity or the fear of the grandiosity that really keeps us from just finding the best spot that we're meant to be in and being in that, whether it's a big, quote unquote, big deal thing, or it's more of like a, oh, I can do this kind of thing. It's all really powerful and it's all really significant in its own ways. And I think the biggest challenge for me oftentimes, and I hear with a lot of people, is just kind of being right-sized about where we are at in the world and what we need to learn You know, that's one thing I wanted to like, personally, I'm really excited to learn this year. Yeah. I've been talking with my sponsor, my mentors about, because for years I've always thought about going back into school. I talked with you about this too. And I have a lot of like, there's a part of me that feels like I was robbed from going to the traditional university kind of college experience partially I think because of being poor but then I did all the things so that I could and then I went and got hiv and then getting hiv just kind of like it seemed like it wasn't possible and then when I did stay alive long enough to then consider school again then it's kind of felt like it's not a great investment nowadays like it's so much money and is it worth it financially? And especially as I get older, it's like, why, why, why? But a big insecurity of mine is that I'm not college educated. Like I don't have a degree or this, there or that. And sometimes if I'm honest, it is a little bit of a insecurity I have. And sometimes as much as I try to not let it be, it is. And so I've really been thinking about one, I do wanna learn more this year, but I've been also thinking about like, but how is it that I wanna learn? right now what is the proper best way to do that so that's something I'm hoping to get uh advice on or like help from people outside of me to really figure that out because it's taken me this long to yeah but that looks super for everybody right so like yeah I first just first of all will always encourage you to go to school like anyone if anyone is wondering if they should go to school talk to me because I will tell you yes you should do it um But, I mean, I think that you should do that. But I think that there are so many ways to learn. Like, for example, there was one person that I met that I'd actually known years ago in a former life, former life for both of us. And we re-met at an event at the community center. And this person reminded me so much of my late friend, Trevor. And I had learned so much from Trevor. I continue to learn from trevor every day even when he's not here and I've been wanting to get together with this person because I feel like I can learn so much from them just because where they are is where I want to be just because they're so gracious with things they're so compassionate and spiritual and I was just blown away just by how at ease I felt with them and That's the kind of learning that I want to do this year is trying to better myself in any way that I can because I was so stunted because I was so mentally ill for so long. And I had that cloud of depression hanging over me until last year. So now I really want to push myself to be a more loving and open person. And that's really uncomfortable. But I'm also trying to go back to school. So we could maybe study together. There you go. Yeah, yeah. So many people around me. I don't know that it's school, but I think definitely this next year is learning. And there's so many options. I'm learning a lot on YouTube right now with even just doing this. There's lots of ways that we can learn and bring on information. And I know I'm not an unintelligent person. I just have been educated and learned shit. a different way than a lot of folks. But it is a language and it is a currency to some degree. And so I think sometimes I feel like I don't quite fit in because I don't know the language. and it's not a currency in which I navigate through. And so I've been really kind of exploring that a little bit more. I think more so than like the language or the knowledge, because I feel like you have those things already, it's the opportunity that it will provide you. Because right now you can work with people one-on-one but if you had like if you were a licensed therapist or you know whatever you'd be able to help people on a much larger scale in a more therapeutic you know what I mean yeah so and I think that you would be fucking phenomenal with that there's parts of that that seem exciting for me and other parts are like, I just can't see myself doing that the rest of my life, but that's just me being dramatic. It doesn't have to be every aspect that I do. And the learning though is something that I would like. And then I also missed, or I also felt like I missed out on being in a community of folks that are learning something together, which is something that I felt really, I see people around me and they seem to know what it is that they want and they're doing it and they're doing the work, even if they don't know how to do it. And I don't feel like I have that. I've always had something like that. And I've always been really ambitious about getting the things done. I just feel like I'm at that point right now. It's like, I don't know what's next. Yeah. Which is kind of a great place to be. Absolutely. But it's also a little nervy too. I think that's just the theme for this year. Cause I mean, I'm in, I'm in the same boat, you know, like I'm on the one hand, I'm trying to apply to PhD programs, but on the other hand, I'm like, is that really what I want to do? Yeah. You know, because I feel a calling with working with people and, you know, advocacy and things that I don't think I would necessarily be able to do if I was, you know, a doctor. Right. But there's still that passion of that. It's just the only thing that I can come up with is to just wait it out. And whatever is going to happen is, you know, the way that it's, supposed to I guess yeah yeah yeah one I think the other thing I'm excited about is the trans march or pride of this year you know the thing that kind of like sparked this whole thing um I'm excited to begin uh planning that process which in some ways I feel like probably should have already started already and in some degree it has but it's definitely at that point where we we get to like yeah uh put the pedal to the metal here real soon we're gonna have so much more time than we did the last one yeah yeah oh my gosh yeah yes we are and um yeah and I'm hoping that it's I mean this year was fantastic and I when I say I'm I'm hoping for more this year um not in the sense of like doing better than but just having again just more opportunity like not in a way that's like bigger and better but maybe yeah maybe I'm saying that just but I think more time diverse yeah like I know we're initially we wanted more of like a pride or have opportunity for like um like a festival aspect of it not just like the march but there's more to it there's performance there's I would love to see more performances, like more time for the performances so we can have more than just two numbers. And really centering the trans. Absolutely. The trans and non-binary. Yeah. I know we don't always talk like I know we say trans and non-binary and that is a very umbrella term so I'm hoping that folks and this is something that we can continue to get better on is really helping other folks see that maybe intersex or um or uh or um identifying other sorts of sexual or gender identities that that maybe aren't as mainstreamed yeah um to begin to become a part of this community and a part of the conversation in a way that feels good for everyone involved. And I think that, you know, we just use trans as the umbrella term for anything gender diverse. And I know that that can sound maybe like we're excluding people, but it's really just easier to say. yeah and we need to try to find a way to I think make space for yeah for folks to know one that when we say trans we say all the all of the non-cisgendered I hate identifying that way but anyone who's not cisgendered basically would fall into that yeah maybe we could just put it in like the notes yeah yeah and I know we have it in some places where we say trans non-binary two-spirit and gender variant folks. But again, I think that's another place of growth for us that hopefully we can hear from people from those communities that really can help get involved with us. And we can also do the work to learn how to be better at it as well. And I'm sure people can maybe give us some suggestions. Yeah, tell us all about it. So just quickly, the inauguration is coming up. Yes. quickly, way, way faster than anyone would like. And that's not a January six thing, right? No. Oh yeah. I didn't even think of that. That'll be an interesting day. We'll see if anything happens again. Who knows? Yeah. Yeah. But, um, I know that Trump has been saying some, some interesting things and he seems to be sort of doubling down on his anti-trans rhetoric. Yeah. And, um, as that day is getting closer we're going to spend a little bit of time talking and like kind of digging into what he's saying and what that could potentially mean for us and you know the trans non-binary our whole community yeah and what we need to look out for and be aware of yeah I'm really excited for that. And like, it's for me, you know, folks that probably figured this out. I'm not like the politically minded one. And so I really am eager to learn more about kind of all the political aspects that I've been kind of running from. It's why I'm angry. Yeah. So I get it. Yeah. I get not wanting to. be immersed in it all the time because it's fucking draining well I'm ready and it's necessary and so I'm really excited to begin to have more conversations um around that so we will we'll dig into it yeah next week next week in our next episode so in our next episode we will dig into and so that it's going to be delightful yes totally delightful and so for folks who've maybe come across this for the first time you can be you can watch us on youtube or listen to us wherever you listen to podcasts at trans joy boise um and to learn more about us you can go to transjoyboise.org um to kind of learn who we are beyond the podcast and what transjoy boise is beyond the podcast as well all right we said ta-ta for now Well, we did that. Perfect. Yeah. A little more fragmented at times, but I think that's okay. Yeah. I think that just talking about the year is going to be good. I think that because it was, you're like, it's going to be a brainstorm. Yeah. So I think that there are some really exciting things coming up. Yeah. Yeah. And we're just getting the ball rolling. I really hope that people reach out to us. I hope that people put things in our comments I hope people come and see us at things or invite us to things um I'm just really excited for whatever comes me too and I think if we get involved in more things like if they see us sponsoring like if we are able to sponsor exotica or you know like this this comedy show different things like that for more in the forefront of people's minds and maybe it'll be like oh maybe trans joy would be a good opportunity to bring more of the trans non-binary community into the experience yeah yeah definitely I'm really excited to kind of be that um mediator yeah maybe yeah between the connecting of things yeah because there's so many cool things that we could be because personally this year I want to you know make more friends I want to have more people in my life and what better way than having all of these cool little opportunities that are transled yeah like the skateboarding thing would be so fun that's so exciting it's hilarious some of the people on there are like older can they roller skate because I love to roller skate or is that like that's like a completely different beast right rachel loves to roller skate too I love it is not interested in skateboarding either so maybe we should just do our own thing I'm like well yeah maybe skateboarders can go skateboard and us who want to skate can go skate but see to be fair like I haven't been on a skateboard in fucking twenty years so I skateboarded when I was young me too or not wow yeah I wasn't like when I was probably like like ten eleven oh really nine yeah I wasn't like that I did too but then I also it wasn't an identity though either it was yeah something like let's see yeah I fell in with that group a lot in high school for a little bit all my best friends were skaters and we would skate all the time uh but we also did other stuff I just a punk ass in high school but um it was I think it would be fun to just of course I'm gonna have to wear because my joints are so bad from my we're getting older yeah and my twins are already back from like RA but I'm gonna wear all all the pads and if we I bet we could get a bunch of people to go skating and there's probably so many other things too I'm super excited about it yeah sure because I know like Rachel crochets oh a lot of queer people love