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Hi, everyone. How's it going? I'm Bonnie Violet, trans femme, genderqueer, spiritual drag artist, and digital chaplain. I know that's a long one. Welcome to Trans Joy Boise, the podcast where we celebrate the vibrant stories, resilience, and connections of Boise's trans community. Through heartfelt conversations, uplifting narratives, and shared experiences, we explore the many ways trans joy thrives despite our challenges. And this is my lovely co-host. I'm Pacey. I'm a trans masc. non-binary mental health and recovery advocates nice a lot too great and don't mind my reading stuff for now we'll get there all right so what this is your I'm excited this is your show today oh lord all right so The inauguration is just days away. And we have seen already what the agenda is with this incoming administration. And it's not great so far. you know, a lot of people thought, and we've all heard the argument that, you know, Trump doesn't actually care about the LGBTQ plus community. He's just saying these things to win the election. And, you know, I've, I know I've heard that a lot from like right leaning friends or family members. It's just like, Oh, it's not a big deal. You're overreacting. And, and, By now, I think it is fairly evident that that is just not the case. It's pretty clear. Yeah, I feel like I'm one that kind of stays a little away from things. And I might have been that girl that I'm like, oh, he was just saying stuff. But no, it's really coming into play. And it's scary. Yeah, it's a sad kind of like, Well, I fucking told you, because we don't ever want to have to say that over something so serious, but it is a dumpster fire right now. Yeah, yeah. So they, just Idaho's legislation kicked off the year with their first motion, which was to overturn same-sex marriage. right which is just they're the first the thing that they found to be of utmost importance in the one thing that they needed to number one on the docket yeah and it's just like that's ridiculous and it's to try to get scotus to make it to where each state can decide correct yes yeah so they want to if this uh resolution is approved it will go to the supreme court just like it did in and whole argument that we've been seeing so far in the last few months with the cases that are going to the supreme court is it's all coming down to states rights so in this case it's the state should have the right to decide and regulate marriage and what quantifies as a legal marriage and you know with the Scermetti case, it was the states should have the right to decide what is healthy for trans youth, or just for youth in general, not their parents. And it's interesting that that has always been the argument. You know, like, well, no, it wasn't about racism. It wasn't about slavery. It was about states' rights. It's the same fucking thing. They just changed it a little bit in an attempt to maybe not seem like bigots. right right so oh my god that's going for them right yeah exactly so like already with this motion for the same-sex marriages they're already saying like well this really doesn't have anything to do with same-sex marriages it has more to do with states rights so they're already skirting the issue in a way that you know the people that are in that party can just you know, parrot and be like, well, no, no, it's not about that. And was this something, this wasn't something that was talked about really in election, like during the election process and stuff, right? Like I didn't hear a lot of people talking about how they were going to attack, they were going to attack trans people, but not the LGBT, not like gay and lesbian folks when it comes to same-sex marriage. Yeah. I think that that was deliberate because they still were... Well, more of our larger LGBTQ community would have probably showed up more. Exactly. Because that was one of the things I was talking with Callie G over in Pocatello last night. And she was like, all these people now are wanting to get involved and wanting to do shit. But it was like, where were you when it was time to vote? Or where were you when we were... You know, and I'm just as guilty. I did end up voting the last minute, but I think I too was kind of in this delusional idea that like somehow it wasn't really gonna happen and didn't really understand the fullness of how it would all play out. And so I'm definitely feeling that, but it seems like there was even more folks. Oh yeah. Well, because it seemed almost cartoonish. If we were to look at what's happening now, like six months ago, you would have been like, there's no way. That's ridiculous. It seems like you're reading the fucking Handmaid's Tale or something. But the people that were really paying attention and noticing these signs were terrified and I think that it was very deliberate on Trump's campaigns team like their plan their strategy because if they were open about their plan to Target the entire community yeah they wouldn't have had people because there were still like a decent amount of people in our community that voted for him oh totally you know and it's like that that trope that it's like well I didn't say anything when they came for when they went through for them and now they're coming for me and there's no one just yeah and what did you expect to happen you know so it's just the same as like right after it was just days after Trump was elected if you would google the people that wanted to change their vote, they were searching, how do I change my vote? You can actually go back and change your fucking vote. And it was when they started learning about tariffs and these things. And I think that it was intentional on Trump's behalf to just be very vague about these things and wait until it was too late. Right. Well, and here in Idaho, they also, one of the, I think the second thing on the docket was around like congratulating BSU for pulling out of the volleyball tournament because of a trans or an alleged trans athlete, right? Well, it was, so that happened a couple months ago and BSU forfeited the game. I believe it was to Utah. And because there was a trans volleyball player. Right. And the thing is, BSU played that same team last year and beat them. So like, it's not like there was a skill issue where they're like, it's not fair because we're just never going to be able to play against someone who's obviously got the upper hand. You fucking beat them. It's not about that. Yeah. So yeah, the motion was to commend BSU for doing that because they're trying to talk about this in a way that prioritizes Title IX, but not for trans people. Because last year, I believe in April, they added a lot of queer protections to Title IX for gender issues that you can't discriminate against those things. But now they're saying that it's mainly for women. you know, for the equality for women in sports and, you know, not trans women. So that's really gross. Yeah. And so do we know what, because I mean, there's so many things that are happening right now locally, as well as the national level. And I know from my understanding is there's going to be a lot of issues locally around like Medicaid, access to Medicaid, immigration issues, reproductive rights. It sounds like there might actually be some possibility for things to get a little better, but not enough in the reproductive area, but I'm not entirely sure. Yeah, it's, I wouldn't count on it. I think that- Well, it seemed like it was like splitting hairs. So it was like maybe like one more little thing, like one less harmful thing, but it was still at the end of the day, not enough. yeah well they're starting to come down on those things too because there was a case in texas that is also going to the supreme court about pornography and so adult content sites needed to provide documentation for like age verification but it wasn't just the like oh click here if you're eighteen it was like upload a copy of your driver's license that kind of thing so it's going to the supreme court to decide if that's constitutional or not And. because it's an infringement on rights. But that is kind of opening the door for people to decide what qualifies as pornographic. Because that was kind of like the big thing with obscene when it came to like drag queens and that sort of thing was this idea of determining what is obscene and what is not. And my understanding and hearing you talk in the past, it's like just by being visibly queer or trans, you are, that's porn in some form or fashion. And so if that was... considered porn or obscene then that would kind of begin to eliminate our visibility in public spaces yeah it's in project twenty twenty five that mess of a document that they they're not shy about equating being trans with being inherently pornographic. So if they are able to set legal precedent with the Supreme Court for what is considered pornography, and then they deem trans people as porn. Which isn't even sexuality, it's gender. Exactly. But people, I know they don't understand, but there's a difference. But if they do that, this could censor not only trans people, but just other people in the queer community, because their very existence will be deemed pornographic, even if the content that they share isn't explicit in any way. Right, well, and you might not even have to be gay or lesbian or trans, but if you're perceived to be, then that would be considered obscene, which I think is something more and more people are starting to realize because gender nonconformity isn't only just left to those who say, I'm gender nonconforming or I'm nonbinary. There are a lot of cisgendered men and women who, by all intents and purposes, you would see them and say, oh, that's a nonbinary person. I think they use they, them pronouns, but they don't. You know what I mean? And so it'll be interesting. Well, not interesting, but I just don't think people, it just seems like it's such a huge, pool um and it would really begin to censor what people look like on like in the public exactly in a very rigid way for all people yeah I mean I know that that was a big concern last year and well the last couple years especially here in idaho when they were going after drag and I think that you know, that was inherently a very transphobic thing. They were going for trans people and just calling it that. But again, it was kind of a distraction, you know, because they had this thing that had some keywords that people were like, oh, they're going to ban drag, and they were keeping all of our attention with this. And then while we were focused on that, they slid some anti-trans legislation through. And I think that that is going to be happening again this year most likely is banning drag and things like that which is going to like you said bleed into not only like drag performances but everyday life yeah you know like this is a person that is wearing the opposite gender's clothing right you know and that is pornographic and that is illegal you know it's just this it's fucking unbelievable. Yeah. You know that, but it's something that we aren't just imagining anymore. Like people can't say, Oh, you're overreacting. We're not overreacting. This is happening right now. Like these were the first motions in the legislation in Idaho for twenty twenty five. And this is the first two, you know, I mean, there's, There's no question that we're under attack. Right. And I think there's more that's going to be unfolding here in Idaho. But with the inauguration just being days away, can you speak a little bit specifically to maybe what Trump has said is going to happen or what we're most concerned about? Well, Trump has said on day one, he is going to end the transgender lunacy. So on day one, so what he has said that will look like is ending gender-affirming care for youth, banning transgender athletes from competing in sports, and removing any trans personnel from the military. too day one right and I thought I saw something about um not allowing like transgender people to use a restroom in public facility any public facility is that related to this or is this something that's also going to the supreme court I believe okay and that is and that's at a federal level not a local level even though it's probably gonna yeah it starts locally but then yeah uh once it goes to the supreme court then it gets hairy because then you know anyone can kind of decide you know it's terrifying. Yeah. So if Trump says, does that the first day, how long till it actually really comes into play or are there other things that could get in the, like, slow it down or potentially stop it? I think so, yeah, because I know that there are already lawsuits and we've seen firsthand how long the litigation can take. Like with the, we had the event for the Scrimetti case and that happened on December third and we're not gonna hear anything about that until June or July. so I think that there are going to be a lot of people that are going to try and tie that up as much as possible so but that's really not I'm not sure we're gonna have to just kind of wait and then it's just whether or not like because in some situations I know like they there there's ways that you can get like because there's a hearing coming that the uh the law doesn't come into effect yet whereas in other situations the law comes into effect and then the hearing happens later and so It's really still to determine when it might actually roll out and begin to impact our day-to-day. Totally. And you never know what he's actually going to do with what he says because, of course, he said these things while he was campaigning. Yeah, but he also has a Republican Senate and a Republican House of Representatives, right? So he has all of the kind of things that could keep him in check, so to speak, are not there. But they're more likely to go along with him. Right. And historically, that does not go well, usually. Well, and when was the last time that has that happened in the US, where all three were the same party? It has. I don't remember exactly when it was. We'd have to look into that. am horrified for this like he has also said that he wants to bring back like a don't say gay thing so that would likely be happening yeah this which is all into that same crap it's all so connected it's basically like turning everything you hear about florida happening in across the whole United States. Exactly, yeah. And he's made it clear that his administration is only going to recognize two genders. Well, and sex at birth. Is that even a gender? Because I know in Idaho, they completely removed gender as an identifier. I'm sure that it will be like that because it's like, yeah, they're only going to recognize male and female. and at first I was like okay but it's the sex you were assigned assigned at birth yeah so even if you have you know your gender marker changed your name changed you present yourself in a way that is quote unquote passing it doesn't matter it doesn't matter yeah and then that will you know affect the bathroom laws and stuff like that so even if someone completely passes a hundred percent if someone told on you yeah and you can get sued if that does you know pass for the rest of the country you can get sued for starting at like five thousand dollars yeah ten thousand dollars I think yeah so it's so what do we do about this or like how how do we that's the thing deal or cope or I don't know like what do we do with this it's terrible because it's so pervasive it's every time I look at my phone there's something else to be you know horrified about yeah and Cause you have like the social media that's jumping on the, on the bandwagon. They're going to stop protecting us as well with Facebook. Were you saying something about that? It's a meta. So it's Facebook, Instagram and threads. So Mark Zuckerberg released a video that he's like, we need to talk about some serious things. And it's just him talking to the camera for a long time. And yeah, Essentially, they're removing protections for the queer community. So they're removing fact checkers. They're making it so, like, you know how there are keywords and things that you can't say because you'll get banned. It's already pretty hostile for us on social media. Yeah, I mean just just a queer kid on social media can get called all kinds of names and told how mentally ill they are and all these sorts of things without like just by being a like a Young person on social media so I can imagine it Those are with protections what it's gonna look like beyond that. Yeah, and it's very targeted, you know, they're removing the protections for the LGBTQ community and it's gonna be it's going to be terrible. And is there, my assumption is, and I don't know, like, because, you know, the intersectionality with things, I know, like, a lot of the, when we talked about, like, the DEI stuff and, like, a lot of things have kind of been centered around, like, racial aspects as well, too. Does that seem, will those protections still be there on social media and stuff, or are those beginning to get chipped away as well? Because it seems like a lot of this stuff is getting lumped into the same sort of, like, movement, if you will? It could be. I'm really not sure on that. I wouldn't be surprised either way. Because what we saw with the DEI centers is they were almost trying to turn marginalized communities against each other. So well that's a really good question to be determined um but yeah yeah and another thing they're doing is they're moving a lot of their their offices from california to texas in an attempt to not be as biased so biased from californians but instead be biased to texans exactly yeah because if they're I mean if you're concerned about bias impacting you because you're in california then I mean, cause you could still not be biased and be in the place if you carried yourself that way. Exactly. But there are a lot of like, there are a lot of regulations. There are a lot of like things that do kind of limit what you can do. And I know like places like California and stuff like that, it's a lot more regulated in some ways. Um, but also like, um, uh, Yeah, yeah. And you have to look at like, well, what does that mean? So how are you being biased by the state that you're in? So look at how different California is from Texas. If you look at the maps of the United States and they're color coded with. how dangerous they are for trans people. Texas and Florida are the fucking worst. You can be there. They're basically saying, like, don't even travel here if you're trans because it's that dangerous. And California is a sanctuary state. Basically, like, if you're trans and you need to be somewhere safe, go to California. That's the bias that they are trying to avoid. And so it's very clear that... what they're doing yeah and I guess are those both ends of the gulf of america sorry that's probably a little derailment but I think that goes to lend to like the there's all the issues around like like yes it's lgbtq folks yes it's trans people but it's also like centered around immigration and racism and sexism and like all this sort of stuff is just like it's all wrapped up in one Not so cute package. We are hardly the only demographic. I just can't believe that there are so many people that are in that mindset that they could have be making, having enough power to really persuade like what's happening across the whole country. I think that's the thing that still baffles me because I can get behind the back. Yeah, there's some people that are ignorant to some degree. There are some people that are just downright awful and horrible to people. But like most people or a strong enough minority of people, like that to me, I think is still really hard to, comprehend. And I think that's might've been where a lot of people have been in their inaction or their like complacency, if you will, is like, yeah, okay. There's some assholes out there. There's some people that are this way, but are they really going to cause something on a big scale? I don't know. I think a lot of people were misled. Yeah. So I've been seeing so many articles and cases of people who voted for Trump were big Trump supporters, but now members of their family are being deported or they themselves are at risk of being deported or they're going to lose their life saving health care. Right. You know, because they're like, oh, well, I'm on Obamacare and that's so what do I do? And they're feeling personally betrayed by Trump. But it's like. Unfortunately, you weren't paying attention. And everything's already going to come into place and it's going to take a certain amount of time before we can really fix all that shit. Even if people were like, oh my gosh, and decided to do something, it's kind of late. Yeah, it is. It's unfortunately, we fucked around and now we're finding out. So this is pretty doom and gloom and all of that, which is real. How do we... I guess, how do we in Boise, Idaho, how do we deal with that? What would you suggest? We do. What can we do? It's hard because there's this anger, but the thing that kind of compounds that and makes it worse is the helplessness. Because in so many instances when you feel a lot of anger, there's something that you can do. You can start taking steps to rectify it. But a lot of this is completely out of our control. So what I try to do is look to the things in my life that I can control. I can control the way that I spend my day. I can stay healthy. I can control the outlets that I have. There are these things that I can focus on, that I can control. but it's really difficult uh and a lot of people I think don't even necessarily realize how angry they are yeah until they realize that like maybe they well at some point you're gonna probably get numb or avoid it when it comes to all this sort of stuff and so I think part of that is that balance of because um I know you're a lot more into this on the regular than say like I am and part of that has to do with my consumption of it really with my spirit and my like attitude and the way I feel about being in the world. And I know that that's something that I think we all have to be a little bit mindful of, but I also am realizing more and more that I can't just, I can't ignore it. It isn't wise for me to just completely ignore it because there's certain information and maybe certain strategies and things that I need to do in order to better like set myself up to, to begin to deal with this stuff as it comes at me, because there are probably, and I, cause I mean like, and I, those are the only ways I'm going to know like what I need to do, because right now it's just about harm reduction. Like what's something I can do to reduce the likelihood of this, that, or the other, knowing that still all this other crap is going to impact me in some way. So yeah. it seems like being mindful of consumption, one, make sure you are consuming information about what is happening politically and locally as well as nationally, but being mindful about like how much that is, how much you take in, how you take it in. But I think also is like, what do you do with that? So I think part of it too, is being able to have conversations with other people. So it doesn't just stick inside of us, you know? So being able to talk with other trans and non-binary folks or, others who really can listen here to kind of like where you're at and maybe even reflect back that they're having a similar experience so that we don't feel so isolated in what we're going through I mean I think that seems like a great way to I guess begin to kind of cope with and move forward as it's only going to continue and it may actually get worse and so it's like we need to really I think and that's why I think trans joy boise and the work that we're trying to do in the community is really hopefully trying to create those um outlets and touch points where we can not be alone and isolated in what we're going through because that's a lot of what this is is like right separate and what is it divide and conquer and so we it's really even more and more important that we find ways to connect yeah I agree I think my advice would be to be aware of how much you can handle when it comes to what you're consuming. Because while it is very important to be informed, it's also so easy to just be completely bogged down by this because it's so depressing. Take like do things physically to get some of the anger out, like work out, go for a run, maybe go to a rage room, something like that. But maintain like a healthy lifestyle, because if you leave it all inside, it's just going to fucking manifest as sickness, all sorts of things. and surround yourself with people that care about it and care about you because I know for some people in my life, they try and talk to their friends about this and their friends kind of leave them with the feeling of, you're overreacting. Right. And it's like, so now not only is this person having to deal with all these injustices in their life, they have to justify how they're feeling with their reactions to their, their friends and loved ones. And I think that that's fucking ridiculous. And you do that often enough, you're just going to stop, you know, and that's gaslighting. so that's why I think it's really important for us to find either trans and non-binary folks or allies who can really be like yeah this is because I mean I've had people um say like oh it's got to be hard to be trans and non-binary right now and they like can recognize that it's hard but they don't necessarily understand exactly what's going on exactly so there are folks that I don't think they have to understand the depth of what we're going through but they can at least notice or acknowledge the fact that things gotta be a little scary for many of us right now. Yeah, and right now, it's difficult to, like my partner said this last night, we were talking about it, and they said, right now, you can't be an ally and not an activist. And we kind of got into a conversation about how if you're not siding with anyone right now, you're just you're siding with the oppressors. And being quiet right now just isn't an option if you're an ally. If you're truly an ally and you want to help, you need to advocate for us. Yeah, yeah. I'm actually, I'm preaching this Sunday in a Christian church of all things. And part of it is like, how can Christians be there for trans and non-binary folks? You know what I mean? And I've been kind of like wrestling around with that a little bit, but how best can people be allies? And one of the things that I'm leaning onto is this idea that Maya Angelou always talks, talked about how she says, I bring every kind person I've ever met with me wherever I go. And I think that's probably like the easiest and most powerful thing that an ally can do with us is to bring us in the room. Bring us in the conversations. When we're talked about, talk about us in positive and good ways. I think we even talked about this in a previous episode where you were talking about how they almost have more power in this dynamic than we do. And that we need them to leverage their power because they're gonna be able to convince people who are not trans and non-binary More like, you know what I mean? Like you spoke about it so much better than I did. I think that that's absolutely true because I love that quote. I love that whole idea, yeah. But I think that particularly I was speaking about cis men and like cis straight men, right? But it goes for anybody. It could be people that go, that attend a church. It could be any group of people. And if one of their peers Who is like them, you know this whatever? Challenges the negative things that they're saying or they're challenging the stereotypes that they hear It's more likely to be received than if someone were to hear it from us. Yeah, unfortunately so I asked all of my allies that I'm friends with to Challenge the negative things that they're hearing about us because it's gonna carry more weight than if it comes from me Yeah, you know and I think I was talking to my partner last night, and they had the same question. They were just like, what do we do? What can I do? I'm so mad. And they're a wonderful artist. So I was like, channel this into your art. There are so many things that we need to be talking about right now that we need to be bringing attention to. And a lot of times, the only way people will listen is if it's through art. Yeah, a sort of aesthetic way of... spending time with it. I think one thing about artists that's really great is I think they really get it. They have a sensitivity and understanding about the subject that I think many of us are so removed or calloused to that we can't really feel it or come to understand it. And I think art has such a great way of being able to create a container in which we can begin to feel what we need to feel, learn what we need to learn, that can be really a lot more difficult to do when we're not kind of in that When we're not tapping into art in some form. They're able to capture just the raw essence of things, whether that's good or bad. And I think especially when you're feeling helpless around something like this, even getting a message out in whatever way you can is going to help you feel empowered. And it does help because I'm shocked sometimes when I talk to people and the things that they haven't heard about yet. And being able to get a message out is going to be cathartic. You can get your feelings out into whatever you're working on and help inform other people. So I'm really trying to encourage people to channel this into art in some way because art is activism. take some sort of action. And now is like a really great time too. I know there are a lot of organizations that are a lot more like, say like ACLU and even like ourselves where we're kind of more forward facing. There are a lot of other kind of more grassrootsy ways of also kind of combating this or doing something about what is happening. So I think we really encourage people to find those pathways that feel good to them and push through them, which could be through art. It could be online. It could be in person. It could be a lot at their work. It could be a lot of different places. And then I also wanted to invite people to the TransJoy Boise Cafe, which is just going to be a few days away from when this podcast comes out. So on January the twenty fifth, We're going to be at the Unitarian Universalist Church. And I believe the first of hopefully a monthly kind of opportunity for us to get together and one, do all the paperwork and stuff, because we've talked about that in previous podcasts, the importance of getting our paperwork, getting our shit in order, so to speak. Yeah. getting our names changed, getting our gender markers, checking in with like around our adoptions and marriages and wills and, you know, last rights and, you know, like the medical stuff, you know, all that sort of stuff is important. So we're going to have that sort of stuff available. But then I think also We're planning on having these circles. I was playing with the idea of affinity circles, but this idea of having a social support opportunity to break away and talk about the grief with what's going on and do something with that or the anger or the joy maybe even, or trying to tap into that joy, as well as opportunities to learn more about. what's happening politically yeah and how they can kind of get involved and we're working on setting up other groups or just opportunities to bring more trans non-binary people together maybe to learn stuff and just to you know be around people that are going through something similar you know whatever that may be yeah so so just don't be by yourself in all this like find a way to connect with others yeah I'm really looking forward to it. We've been throwing around some ideas for different groups or activities to do. And I think that some of them are going to be really insightful. Some of them are going to be really fun. And I think at the end of the day, the only thing that really matters is that we're together, that we have these opportunities to just be around each other and talk and kind of help each other get through this because we are all so mad and hurting through all of this because every day you have to look at the news of people talking about how your existence is inconvenient. so yes so um continue to keep an eye out for us uh we're gonna we're getting into the new year we're planning on doing a survey to kind of figure out what it is that the community might need um as well as there's going to be opportunities to volunteer or get involved so if you're looking for a channel feel free to reach out to us and um you know offer to work with us or collaborate us with us in something or let us know something that you're doing that you would like for us to let people know about as well. Yeah, definitely. That'll be really fun. Well, thank you so much, uh, Pacey for like going through some of this. I know there's so much more like the nitty gritty to go through, but I think we did enough to kind of like begin to kind of give an idea. I think so. Yeah. It's a, and it's a lot to take in, in such a short amount of time, but I know that I'm sure when I check my phone later tonight, there will be fucking something else. Yeah. And I do want to, I do want to like, um, I do want to shout out you particularly. So if people are wanting to keep track of more of the political aspects and the activism and getting more information, Pacey Speaks on Instagram and TikTok is a really great way. You've been creating some really great content specifically around this stuff to kind of help educate people and I think direct people in kind of how to deal with some of this stuff or even um regurgitating and spitting it out in a way that's a little bit more understandable yeah for us who might not be as uh in the the know of everything so um so folks can check out pacey speaks as well I think that's a really great place we have some of the stuff on transjoy boise but you definitely have a lot more um happening over there so folks are interested in that sort of content I'd encourage you to check out pacey speaks as well as like socialistically awkward is a really great place to kind of keep in check with um kind of like political issues on a broader spectrum um but yeah definitely great stuff yeah no I agree awesome well should we say goodbye yeah we should yeah until next week all right bye-bye yeah cool thirty seven minutes that's a good time let's it was good it was nice having Theo here like the twenty minutes at first yeah it was nice to have the prompt but I was also like oh what do I do that would be perfect especially when we have the camera because I know if we were filming with the camera and it was just us here I'd be like the whole time because I would be stressed about it yeah yeah because I realized I thought that my camera only um could hold, or like the memory cards could only hold twenty minutes worth, but then I realized that my camera just automatically shuts down after twenty minutes. Yeah, yeah. What are we gonna do next week? Probably, yeah, it was, because I hadn't used my DSLR in so long, because I've always used, well, lately I've been using my phones, but I was also recording in, uh, It seems like we might need to have like a political probably check in if it's not like the full episode, at least a portion of probably almost every episode through least next month maybe even three months with the with the idaho legislator at least being open to it um because there's going to be so much more oh yeah to talk about so I think that'll be something that'll probably just become a staple I think so as well as talking about some of the other stuff but yeah you know who knows it's just crazy how quickly it keeps coming in you know um yesterday was a lot someday like it seems like I'll go a couple days where I won't hear anything but then it'll be days like yesterday we're just like what the yeah yeah so yeah it's I saw a clip with this trans guy that was like a trans person right now and it kept going to these clips of them looking and being like oh yeah I saw that too that's probably that's so accurate yeah it's exhausting.