Boise Speaks Out: Why We Showed Up for the 50 State Rally, Project 2025, ICE Crackdowns & Finding Support

In this episode of Trans Joy Boise, Bonnie Violet and Pacey dive into the 50 State Rally, a nationwide movement against Project 2025 and the rise of authoritarian policies threatening marginalized communities. Fresh from the rally, they share firsthand experiences, reflections on the diverse voices in attendance, and the urgent need for collective action. They discuss the escalating risks for trans folks, immigrants, and other vulnerable populations, the dangers of ICE profiling, and how we can prepare and protect ourselves. Plus, they highlight key takeaways from Poder’s press conference and local activism efforts. Tune in to learn, resist, and build solidarity—because the fight isn’t over. 💙✨ #TransJoyBoise #Project2025 #QueerResistance #TransRightsAreHumanRights

Podcasts mentioned in this episode

City Cast Boise - What Boiseans need to Know about ICE Raids

Brown Sound - Protect Idaho Immigrants with Poder of Idaho

After reflections from the powerful march, we discuss the importance of finding support, and highlight upcoming community events that are creating space for joy in the face of oppression. From Trans Joy Boise’s social support groups to an upcoming trans wedding and the Goodbye Love variety show, we explore how we can continue to show up, fight back, and hold space for love and resilience.

🔥 Join the Movement: Attend local events, build support groups, and find ways to stay connected.

💜 Need Support? You are not alone. Seek out community, resources, and help when needed.

📍 Boise Events:

• Exotica Drag & Burlesque Show – A POC-centered variety show at the Balcony Club
• Goodbye Love: A Post-Valentine’s Variety Show – February 15, supporting Trans Joy Boise
• A Community-Led Trans Wedding – February 22, open to all

✨ Let’s keep fighting, celebrating, and lifting each other up. ✨

#TransJoy #Resist #LGBTQ2SIA+ #Community #WeWontBeErased #QueerLove #Protest #QueerSupport

Transcript

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Here's the bow.

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Okay.

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Oh, the other thing we should do, like,

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I could go, hi, I'm Bonnie Violet,

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da-da-da, and you could say,

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and I'm Pacey.

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Okay, yeah.

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And then do your intro,

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and then I'll go into this.

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Does that sound okay?

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Yeah.

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It always feels a little awkward, huh?

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Yeah.

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No, I like that idea.

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All right, ready?

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Mm-hmm.

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Hi, everyone.

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How's it going?

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I'm Bonnie Violet.

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I'm a trans, femme, genderqueer,

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spiritual drag artist,

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digital chaplain living in Boise, Idaho.

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And I'm Pacey.

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I'm a trans, masc, non-binary,

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mental health and recovery advocate.

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And welcome to Trans Joy Boise,

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the podcast where we

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celebrate the vibrant stories, resilience,

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and connections of Boise's

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trans community.

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Through heartfelt conversations,

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uplifting narratives,

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and shared experiences,

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we explore the many ways

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trans joy thrives despite challenges.

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Each episode highlights

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inspiring voices from local

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advocates and artists to everyday heroes,

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showcasing the beauty and

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strength of being trans and

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voicey and beyond.

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Together, we foster understanding,

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amplify voices,

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and create a space for joy, healing,

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and solidarity.

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Tune in, connect, and celebrate with us.

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Trans joy is here, and yes,

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it's unstoppable.

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Woohoo.

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I like that.

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Yes.

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Welcome, everyone.

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So glad that you found us here today.

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We just got back from the rally,

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the Fifty States.

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Was it called Fifty and Fifty?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Fifty and Fifty States rally,

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which we'll talk a little bit more about.

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So I apologize if you hear the fringe,

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but I wore this to the

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rally and thought I'd wear it now, too.

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So bear with us.

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it's your your advocacy

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jacket yes I know I can't

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wait to get some patches on

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it it was a drag look but I

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think it's going to be my

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rally though no I think

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it's perfect for us and you

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know it's fine if we hear

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the jingle jangles right

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well and I was like I was

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like I didn't know who was

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all going to come out to

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the rally I figured it was

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going to be like a big

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group of folks like I

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didn't see it seated being

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like a bunch of trans

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people or even queer people

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and so I kind of wanted to find a way to

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of stand out a little bit I

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guess um within the mix of

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folks yeah it was a really

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interesting group of people

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it was super inclusive I

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saw people from all walks

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of life there and there

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were there's a huge amount

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of trans support there

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which I thought was really

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cool even people that were

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wearing like veterans for

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harris like shirts like

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that or veterans against

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trump were supporting trans

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people and I think that

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that is really powerful because

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their voices are going to be

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heard in certain circles

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that ours might not be.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And can you tell a little

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bit about kind of like what

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the fifty and fifty state

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rally is all about?

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Kind of like how it got started?

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Yeah,

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it's it seems really cool and I'm

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glad that it really kind of

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took hold here.

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I really follow the news

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closely here and in Reno

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because I'm from Reno.

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And it seems like at the same time,

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in all capital cities across the country,

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people were at similar rallies.

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And it was basically their ideology is...

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not so much left-leaning or

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liberals versus Republicans, right-wing,

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it's Americans versus this

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new administration and what's happening.

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And basically the Project

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Twenty Twenty-Five.

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Yeah,

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specifically Project Twenty Twenty-Five.

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Right, right.

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Yeah.

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So I think it's interesting,

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but it's also a little

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frustrating to see all of

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these people that are very

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against Project twenty twenty five.

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And we were like, well,

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maybe you should read about

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Project twenty twenty five

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before you vote.

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And then you didn't.

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And now it's everyone's problem.

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So it's nice to see all

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these people very

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passionate about fighting it.

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But it's also a little

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regretful that it's like, well,

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where was this energy when

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it really matters?

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Well, and even one of the speakers,

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actually a trans speaker,

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mentioned that as well,

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how they like they were

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aware of Project twenty twenty five,

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much like myself.

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but didn't really see it

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actually happening.

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And now that it's happening,

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everyone's just kind of like, oh shit.

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Like, you know, and like for me too,

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like I,

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you're the one who told me about

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it happening locally.

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I think I saw like one TikTok,

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but I mostly saw it from other States.

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So like Sister Roma,

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My drag child, John Brett,

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out of the Bay Area,

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I saw them posting a lot about it.

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So I was glad that it was

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actually part of other cities too,

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because I think that's how

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I got to hear a little bit more about it.

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But yeah, it was really great.

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And then there was a bunch

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of other rallies and things

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happening at the same time.

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Like I know Poder had like a press release,

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press conference on the fourth floor,

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kind of talking around

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local immigration issues.

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I went up there for a little

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bit and heard testimony, which was,

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just really fantastic.

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Yeah.

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What was that?

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Cause I didn't get a chance to go inside.

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Yeah.

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So basically they were up on

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the fourth floor and they were,

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it was a press conference.

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So they were just standing

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at a mic and they had a couple,

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I just went up there and

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caught the tail end of one

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of the people that were speaking,

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that was just talking about,

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I think that one of the

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things that really stood

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out to me was that they

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were talking about like how, you know,

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like they're,

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they're going to come from

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like the immigrants first, you know,

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but then it's going to be like, you know,

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basically it got to the

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point where it was like, you know,

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they mentioned LGBTQ folks and,

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immigrants whether you're

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documented or not

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documented other people of

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color and then they got to

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and like white people who

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are poor you know like

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they're like eventually

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it's going to get to you

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you know and so those are

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things that they need to

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kind of like keep keep in

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mind as well yeah it's

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interesting because right

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now a lot of people are

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realizing that their documentation is

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in jeopardy you know with

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like uh name changes gender

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marker changes on driver's

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license social security

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passports even though you

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can't even do those on the

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social security passports

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anymore but I've heard

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people saying like this is

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an attempt to make it so

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you can't verify or prove

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that you're that you're a

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citizen in this country so

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then that's a a terrifying

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thought you know that they

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could potentially be trying to

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come up with reasons to send

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people to Guantanamo Bay.

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Well, and I mean,

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and I think the thing around documents,

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you know,

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basically like if you're a brown

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skinned person, people are going to,

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especially around here,

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I've always heard that,

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like just people being

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racist about the idea that

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they must be illegals or blah, blah, blah,

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regardless if they are or not,

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like even if people quote

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unquote do it the right way,

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they still are going to be

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potentially at risk too, because a lot of,

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I mean,

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I've seen stuff where people just

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regular Joe Schmoes decide

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they want to like confront

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somebody and say you're

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illegal and call the police or whatever.

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And they're not even illegal, you know,

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like they're not, I hate that.

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I hate the language when

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we're talking about this

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because we're talking about people,

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we're talking about like

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human beings and they're not illegal.

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It's labeled in such ways that, that, um,

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make it really gross to

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attempt to talk about for

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sure well and I was I was

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listening like so um

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venezuela um was a country

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that actually kind of was

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immune somewhat my

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understanding to a lot of

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the immigration stuff

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that's been happening

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specifically with like latina latinos um

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and like from like South

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America um and all that I

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feel like I'm like messing

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up my words but my

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understanding Venezuela

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somehow was kind of like

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not included in a lot of um

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and I'm probably getting my

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geography wrong but now now

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those I believe I believe

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that's changed now with a

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lot of the new immigrant

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immigration stuff as well I

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would imagine and I've been

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reading a lot about

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people that are legal

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citizens here that are

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being detained and arrested

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because of profiling.

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And they then have to prove

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that they live here,

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that they live here legally,

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when that should never happen.

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So it isn't just, I've seen some people,

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I even had to unfriend some

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people that were like, guys,

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ICE is only going after the

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violent criminal illegal aliens.

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And I'm like, that's gross, first of all.

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But they've been saying

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people who aren't here

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legally are criminals in and

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of itself like that's how

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they've been labeling it so

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kind of working around that

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whole it's a slippery slope

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very much because I think

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that when they were when

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trump was you know

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campaigning he was saying

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well we're going to get rid

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of the criminals like the

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people that are harming u.s

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citizens and now that he's

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gotten so much support he's

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like well they are

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criminals if they're here

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and it's like okay which is

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it so now it's like

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it's a very dangerous time

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to be a person of color in this country.

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Just full stop.

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Yeah.

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And I was listening to this

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CityCast Boise podcast earlier today,

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as well as the Brown Sound podcast,

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which is also an Idaho-based podcast.

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And they both had Ruby from

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Poder on there.

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And one of the things, and the ACLU,

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and one of the things that

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what's important for people

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to understand that I wanted

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to pass on was just the

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rights that individuals have.

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So if you are a person who

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kind of gets stopped by ICE or, you know,

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that you still are the police,

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that you have the same

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rights as any other person.

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So you don't,

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you have the right to remain silent.

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You don't have to answer, like,

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you have the right to remain silent.

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I'm trying to remember what

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the other ones were, I swear,

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until I started talking about it.

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But you have the right to remain silent.

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You don't have to consent to

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a strip or any sort of search.

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Like you or your property.

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Exactly.

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And you have a right to a lawyer.

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And they said, do not sign anything.

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unless you're next to a

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lawyer or you have a lawyer

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that reads it first.

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And those were three things

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that they said that were

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really important.

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And just like a lot of us

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are doing as well as having

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some sort of an emergency

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plan for your family so

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that if one of the family

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members ends up getting

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picked up or disappears for

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a little while,

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or maybe both of the parents,

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people know who needs to

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pick up the kids.

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I know it sounds really wild,

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but it's just the reality

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of what we're living in right now.

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And again,

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I think with the immigrant population,

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it's really easy to see that right now.

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But I think with the passports,

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with non-binary folks in particular,

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and maybe even trans folks,

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I think we're going to begin to see

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That's like kind of like

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echo out into other

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populations of folks here real quick.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And I think, you know,

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the veil is the mask has

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dropped from from Trump and

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people are starting to

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realize that they were just

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a pawn in his game, like to get elected.

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you know, if he didn't hack the computers,

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right?

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You know, this whole fucking thing.

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But they're realizing that

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no one is safe right now.

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I mean,

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there are people that we've talked

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about before that are going

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to be losing their

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life-saving insurance

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because he's just cutting

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the funding for it.

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And

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I think that really kind of

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highlights the importance

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of events like today that's

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trying to unite everyone just as people,

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as Americans,

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as citizens in this country

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trying to fight against

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this fascist leadership.

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And we'll put in the show links,

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the links to the two

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podcasts that I mentioned

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so you can get a little bit

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more information.

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Don't take it just for me.

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Please learn a little bit more about it.

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But I think the other thing

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that was interesting today was, you know,

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it's hard when a rally is

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happening in the middle of

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the day during the week to

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get people to come out.

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But we had, I was at the Women's March,

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we both were,

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and I feel like there was

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just as many people at the Women's March,

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which was on a weekend,

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as was there today.

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Would you say that?

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I would say, yeah, there was a...

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significant amount of people.

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Yeah, I mean,

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I guess we could be in the

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street with the Women's March, right?

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Yeah.

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So the Women's March might

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have been slightly bigger,

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but it was pretty close to

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about the same.

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And this one was growing as it went on.

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Yeah, yeah.

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When I first got there,

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there weren't very many

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people in the street at all.

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They didn't even really have

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it blocked off yet.

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with the cop cars.

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But by the end of it, it was all over.

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And it seems like they're

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trying to get more and more

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people to turn out like

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some of the bigger cities have been.

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And I think that that's fantastic.

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We really need that.

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And it seems like people like Jackie,

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the speaker, one of the speakers today,

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said that she wasn't super

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worried about Project

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Twenty Twenty Five when she

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heard about it because she said,

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that doesn't happen here.

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And so many people

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believed that, and I mean, you know,

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even me,

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I was very concerned with Project

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Twenty Twenty-Five.

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I was yelling it from the

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rooftops to anyone who would listen,

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but I still had this

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thought in the back of my mind, like,

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well, we should be safe, though, right?

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Because this is America.

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We should be able to stop that, right?

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Yeah, like, we have people in place.

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We have checks and balances

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to prevent something like

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that from ever happening here.

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And then all of my worst

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fears have just been coming true.

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But I understand when people say like,

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well, that will never happen here.

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I understand why they thought that.

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So seeing it,

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it's unfathomable for most of

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us because we've never had

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to experience it before, you know?

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And that's not to say like,

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I'm sure that there are, I mean,

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the immigrant population

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has been experiencing

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this sort of fear especially

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undocumented folks for a

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lot longer than just right

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now you know I think that's

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something that's important

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to say I remember ruby was

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talking about that idea

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like in my understanding

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I've never experienced

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anything like this but

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those who've been who have

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experienced it they might

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have a whole nother take

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about it so um yeah I mean

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I think that's the thing is

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we feel like this I think

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there's this feeling of

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like this this is brand new

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we weren't aware of these

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sorts of things but a lot

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of these issues have

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have been issues already and

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have been for years.

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And I think in some ways

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they're just kind of getting,

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I don't know,

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they're exponentially worse

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in a way in which people

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are actually like paying attention.

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I mean,

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I think in the long run it might

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actually end up biting them in the ass.

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Because I think they're

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fueling a lot of people to

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get up and get out in the streets.

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And also I think even to

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learn about other issues

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and other experiences that

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people are going through

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that are different from themselves.

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Yeah, it's causing people to unite.

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People that wouldn't

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usually and like typically

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come together and I think

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I've been seeing a lot of

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people even who voted for

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trump who are starting to

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say I regret it yeah which

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is something you would

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never expect to hear from

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from certain people like

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that but you see it a lot

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now and I think that the

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only way that we're really

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going to be able to fight

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any of this is by coming

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together yeah and it's just

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it's unbelievable that it's

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happening so quickly yeah

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you know and like ray my partner says

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constantly reminds me that

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Hitler was able to topple

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democracy in fifty three days.

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Fifty three days.

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And it's like that seemed

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when you learned.

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I never knew that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But when you learn about it

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in like high school, you're like, wow,

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that's that's crazy.

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That's fast.

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But you don't really think.

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But now I'm just like,

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it's believable because

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look at everything that's

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happened in fucking two weeks.

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Yeah.

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I mean,

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because so that basically would be

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starting from January was

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inauguration day.

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Is that when it would have started?

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January twentyth.

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So fifty some days after that.

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Yeah.

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And that's like early March.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And just imagine like.

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that many more days another

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month and another month

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yeah yeah of this it's just

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it's totally believable you

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know and then I've been

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here oh my gosh another

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thing is the people that

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have been saying you're

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overreacting or here again

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some of rachel's

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I'm editing that out.

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Some of my partner's fucking

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friends are still saying like, well,

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that'll never happen here.

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And it's so frustrating

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because they won't get it

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through their head.

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It's like they are being

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willfully ignorant at this

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point because they don't

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read about Guantanamo Bay.

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They don't read about any of these things.

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And then what do you need?

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what is it going to take for

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certain people to realize

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that this is serious until

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it's knocking on your front

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door unfortunately a lot of

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people don't pay attention

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um and that's that's too

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bad um but we also covered

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we also did our best to get

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some audio and video from

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today too so are we putting

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that at the end of this the

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beginning of this or um

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I'm not sure.

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Okay.

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Maybe a little bit of both.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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You'll just have to wait to see.

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And maybe you've already

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seen it and you're like,

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what is this girl talking about?

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Yeah.

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We've already seen all this footage.

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It was good though.

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Like walking through the crowd,

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seeing all the different,

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some of the signs were fantastic.

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And there was a table there

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where they brought poster

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board and markers where you

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could make a sign.

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And what did yours say?

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We won't be erased.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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So,

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It's hopeful,

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but it's also scary to be

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living through this right now.

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And the things that,

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it just keeps coming in waves.

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Every time I look at my phone,

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there's something new.

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And there's going to be a

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moment where more people

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are realizing how bad it is

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because I was telling, over lunch,

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I was telling you about a

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bill that has been

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introduced in Oklahoma that

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starts off talking about like,

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preventing child pornography.

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And you're like, well, yeah,

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of course I'm on board with that.

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But near the end of it,

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they just slip in this

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little paragraph that's like,

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any pornographic material

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will be outlawed and you

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could be punished with jail time.

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And that includes what they

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call open door romances,

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where basically you know

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about what's happening in a bedroom.

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You're reading it.

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So smut, essentially.

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Right.

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is going to be criminalized.

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So that's what they want.

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So that is a huge step of

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attacking the trans and

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queer community to attacking everybody.

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And those things are going

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to becoming more common.

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And everyone else is going to be like, oh,

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shit.

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And that's when we're going

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to get even more people at

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the events like today.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so I think a takeaway, too,

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for folks from like is like, you know,

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I would encourage you that

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if you do have an

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opportunity that you can go

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to one of these march rallies,

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that you can feel safe and

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all that sort of stuff.

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I would encourage you to do it.

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It was great just to be

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around people like minded

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people and just kind of

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soak up on some of that.

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You know, it kind of helps, I think, widen

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my worldview that can get to be so small.

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And one of the things I

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wanted to also speak to is like, you know,

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support and feeling

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connected during this time is so,

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so important.

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And last week I was very sick,

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like from like Tuesday to Saturday.

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And so but we had our first

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social support group on

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Thursday night and you got

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to do that all by yourself.

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And it was great.

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It was a really good time.

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I think that

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everyone that was there

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really just needed to be

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around people that were

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sharing a similar

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experience right so and not

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to say like anything

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specific but there was a

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local person right yeah the

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I didn't know if you wanted

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to bring that yeah no I uh

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we opened it up to the

00:19:56.015 --> 00:19:58.175
community because the

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community experienced a

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loss last week and everyone

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has been kind of reeling

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from that and I think that

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It's important to honor this

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person's memory.

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But it's also important to

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be very aware and vocal

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that things are hard and

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they're scary right now.

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And there's support.

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And there's support.

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We're here.

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There are so many people that are here.

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And if you need to talk and

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you're feeling hopeless,

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there are people that want to help you.

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Yeah.

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And I would just encourage

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you that I know it's not

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everyone who listens to our

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podcasts or who comes

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across this is in the Boise area.

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So I would encourage you to

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find a support group in

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your local area or maybe

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even consider starting one.

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You know, we're just two average people.

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And we're not, you know,

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we're not claiming to have it.

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It's not a therapeutic group.

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It's just us getting

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together socially as a way to connect.

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So, I mean,

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I think I would encourage

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people to create opportunities,

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even if it's not something

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that's open to the public,

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even if it's just that you

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reach out to your group of

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friends and you invite

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everybody over and have

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coffee or whatever.

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have a meal or something like that.

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I think it's really

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important for us to get out

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of our little worlds and

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connect with one another.

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Oh yeah,

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it was great just because there

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wasn't anyone there that was saying,

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well,

00:21:20.596 --> 00:21:23.338
maybe you're overreacting or trying

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to defend the people that

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were harassing us that we

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were maybe talking about.

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And that's really nice

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because I'm so sick of that.

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And I've been noticing in the last week,

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especially,

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It's just been getting

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unbelievable with the looks

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I get in public and the

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harassment online.

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And people are just so loud about it now.

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And I know that that's only

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going to continue to escalate.

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And that scares me for a couple of reasons,

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like for our safety, of course,

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but also mental health.

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I mean, we experienced that loss.

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I think that if people are

00:22:03.651 --> 00:22:04.951
already struggling with

00:22:05.132 --> 00:22:07.032
mental illness and depression,

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Even on a good day, it's hard.

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But when you're surrounded

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by all of this hate, I mean, that's just,

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it's unbearable.

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Yep.

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And isolation really feeds

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into that and the inability

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to be able to talk about something.

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You know,

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if you can even just talk to one

00:22:23.982 --> 00:22:25.463
person about what you're thinking,

00:22:25.483 --> 00:22:26.284
what you're feeling,

00:22:26.684 --> 00:22:27.826
that can begin to take the

00:22:27.885 --> 00:22:30.327
power and the intensity

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away from that particular situation.

00:22:32.910 --> 00:22:34.250
feelings so if you can and

00:22:34.270 --> 00:22:35.332
you're able try to at least

00:22:35.412 --> 00:22:37.232
at a minimum talk to one

00:22:37.252 --> 00:22:38.913
other person even if it's

00:22:38.953 --> 00:22:40.954
over the phone or over you

00:22:40.974 --> 00:22:42.756
know like zoom or something

00:22:42.996 --> 00:22:43.616
I think could be even

00:22:43.656 --> 00:22:44.356
helpful I think you've

00:22:44.376 --> 00:22:45.278
probably been writing it

00:22:45.337 --> 00:22:47.598
out in a journal is

00:22:47.659 --> 00:22:49.039
something that is fairly

00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:50.961
accessible I think that you

00:22:51.040 --> 00:22:52.622
might want to consider if

00:22:52.662 --> 00:22:53.923
you're you know finding

00:22:53.942 --> 00:22:54.983
yourself in those feelings

00:22:55.223 --> 00:22:56.644
even right now you know oh

00:22:56.765 --> 00:22:58.286
yeah as well as there's you

00:22:58.306 --> 00:22:59.807
know hotlines and stuff

00:22:59.826 --> 00:23:01.267
that you can reach out to too yeah

00:23:02.347 --> 00:23:02.989
So it's good.

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I think it's,

00:23:04.190 --> 00:23:05.570
I would really encourage

00:23:05.592 --> 00:23:07.594
people to attend if they can.

00:23:08.094 --> 00:23:09.736
It's a good time just to be around people.

00:23:09.875 --> 00:23:11.257
And it was like where we're

00:23:11.297 --> 00:23:13.278
having it is wonderful.

00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:14.580
The folks that work there

00:23:14.701 --> 00:23:17.503
are fantastic and it's good coffee.

00:23:18.023 --> 00:23:19.964
Yeah, and encourage people, again,

00:23:20.164 --> 00:23:22.046
to continue to go out and

00:23:22.086 --> 00:23:23.267
be in the world.

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Let life go anyway.

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Sometimes it can feel silly

00:23:27.109 --> 00:23:29.191
to go to a drag show or go

00:23:29.230 --> 00:23:30.551
do something fun.

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We're going to go to a drag

00:23:32.492 --> 00:23:33.432
show this weekend.

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We're an official sponsor of

00:23:36.015 --> 00:23:39.057
the Exotica show,

00:23:39.096 --> 00:23:41.617
which is the first people

00:23:41.637 --> 00:23:42.999
of color drag and burlesque

00:23:43.019 --> 00:23:45.099
variety show in Boise, Idaho.

00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:47.301
And it's hosted and produced by

00:23:47.842 --> 00:23:49.903
our good friend, Frieda Knights.

00:23:50.584 --> 00:23:52.805
There's a number of amazing

00:23:53.285 --> 00:23:54.526
other trans performers that

00:23:54.546 --> 00:23:55.227
are also there.

00:23:55.307 --> 00:23:57.087
So that's on Saturday night

00:23:57.867 --> 00:23:58.929
at the Balcony Club.

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You can find more information about that.

00:24:01.349 --> 00:24:03.171
But again, if you're not in the Boise area,

00:24:03.471 --> 00:24:04.251
see what's happening in

00:24:04.271 --> 00:24:05.913
your community and go be a

00:24:05.972 --> 00:24:07.134
part of it if you can.

00:24:08.365 --> 00:24:10.066
And then I was thinking

00:24:10.246 --> 00:24:11.266
we're also putting on a

00:24:11.306 --> 00:24:15.606
show the goodbye love Drag

00:24:15.626 --> 00:24:17.547
and variety show on

00:24:17.606 --> 00:24:18.708
February the fifteenth,

00:24:18.728 --> 00:24:19.928
which is a post Valentine's

00:24:19.948 --> 00:24:21.827
show It's a way for us to

00:24:21.867 --> 00:24:23.048
raise money for trans joy

00:24:23.068 --> 00:24:24.868
Boise and also we're gonna

00:24:24.929 --> 00:24:25.888
use it as an opportunity

00:24:25.969 --> 00:24:27.730
rent the musical and the

00:24:27.750 --> 00:24:29.309
show is really all about it

00:24:29.329 --> 00:24:31.550
centers really HIV and AIDS and

00:24:32.711 --> 00:24:34.332
and kind of like, I think,

00:24:34.412 --> 00:24:37.094
marginalized experiences and housing.

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And so we're really going to

00:24:38.154 --> 00:24:38.954
try to use it as an

00:24:39.015 --> 00:24:41.477
opportunity to also inform people.

00:24:41.497 --> 00:24:43.298
We're hoping to get about two hundred,

00:24:43.337 --> 00:24:44.538
two hundred fifty people to come.

00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:45.819
And we want to have

00:24:45.859 --> 00:24:46.840
information to help people

00:24:46.881 --> 00:24:47.862
understand the housing

00:24:47.902 --> 00:24:48.902
concerns right now.

00:24:48.981 --> 00:24:51.223
And and hopefully, you know,

00:24:51.243 --> 00:24:54.086
maybe even some things around like

00:24:56.727 --> 00:24:57.666
about all the issues that

00:24:57.707 --> 00:24:58.547
are happening right now.

00:24:58.567 --> 00:25:02.328
And then we are doing a wedding.

00:25:02.489 --> 00:25:04.489
We're getting to host a trans wedding,

00:25:04.528 --> 00:25:05.430
which I think we mentioned

00:25:05.470 --> 00:25:06.549
on the last podcast,

00:25:07.150 --> 00:25:08.310
but everything is a go.

00:25:09.750 --> 00:25:11.071
So it's really, really exciting.

00:25:11.092 --> 00:25:12.311
I got to meet with a couple

00:25:12.771 --> 00:25:13.972
earlier this week,

00:25:13.992 --> 00:25:14.853
and this is something that

00:25:14.873 --> 00:25:16.073
the community is doing.

00:25:16.153 --> 00:25:18.314
So we're looking to have

00:25:18.394 --> 00:25:20.394
people come to our Trans Joy Boise Cafe,

00:25:21.776 --> 00:25:23.656
which is on February the twenty second.

00:25:24.057 --> 00:25:25.098
And part of that would be

00:25:25.179 --> 00:25:25.940
setting up and getting

00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:27.161
ready for this wedding that

00:25:27.221 --> 00:25:28.642
everyone is invited to.

00:25:28.701 --> 00:25:30.403
And so if you're wanting to

00:25:30.423 --> 00:25:31.765
get involved and just, again,

00:25:31.825 --> 00:25:34.768
be around community in a positive way,

00:25:35.328 --> 00:25:36.150
we would encourage you to

00:25:36.190 --> 00:25:37.691
learn about the cafe and

00:25:37.730 --> 00:25:38.511
come for that as well.

00:25:38.531 --> 00:25:40.213
We are also working on having some like

00:25:40.874 --> 00:25:42.734
family court kind of

00:25:43.555 --> 00:25:44.775
paperwork opportunities.

00:25:45.395 --> 00:25:46.576
But anyway, I don't know.

00:25:46.596 --> 00:25:47.435
I just kind of felt like to

00:25:47.476 --> 00:25:48.537
put some of that stuff out.

00:25:50.357 --> 00:25:51.357
I see a lot of trans and

00:25:51.377 --> 00:25:53.358
non-binary folks doing amazing stuff,

00:25:54.798 --> 00:25:57.160
both locally as well as around the globe.

00:25:57.200 --> 00:26:00.421
So if you're like, just look in your area,

00:26:01.862 --> 00:26:04.182
look for hashtag trans or

00:26:04.202 --> 00:26:05.202
I'm sure there's ways that

00:26:05.222 --> 00:26:05.982
you can find out what's

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happening in your local

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area so that you can go and again,

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just be a part of community.

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good for you and it's good

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for your community I agree

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and I think you know I'm

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really excited about this

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wedding um me too I think

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that you know right now

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everyone is feeling so

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burdened by everything

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that's going on and it's

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like every time you look at

00:26:24.527 --> 00:26:26.248
the news it's more people

00:26:26.307 --> 00:26:27.768
just telling you that they

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don't think you should

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exist and just all this

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onslaught of all this

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negative and I think that

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the community really needs

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something positive because

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this wedding is happening

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in my opinion,

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like in fucking spite of it all.

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Like you can't tell us who to love.

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You can't tell us who we are.

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We are who we are.

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We love who we love and we will,

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no matter what you say.

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And I think that having the

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community come together to not only,

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you know,

00:26:55.470 --> 00:26:56.871
attend this wedding but to

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put it together and you

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know celebrate is going to

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be really just beautiful

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and we need we desperately

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need things like that right

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now and this is a newer uh

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it's a family a newer

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family to the area as well

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and so I think it's a

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really great opportunity

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for us as a community to

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welcome them to the

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community and let them know that like

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we are here for you and it

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goes further than maybe

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just their besties or maybe

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some of their family

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members but actually

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there's a huge there's a

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village of us that are out

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here looking out for one

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another exactly so I I hope

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that people will decide to

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attend because I know I'm

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really excited it is open

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to the public so um come

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one come all yeah yeah

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awesome well are we feeling

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like that's an episode I

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feel yeah I feel good about

00:27:46.230 --> 00:27:46.971
that today was

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Good.

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It was a nice source of hope

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and light in an otherwise

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pretty bleary time.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Awesome.

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Well, thanks so much for joining us.

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Yeah.

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And we'll catch you in the next episode.

00:28:04.098 --> 00:28:06.300
Or if you see us out in public, say hello.

00:28:06.361 --> 00:28:07.603
Or if you go to Exotica.

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We will be there.

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Yes.

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I'm going to be ice.

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I will be fire.

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You're like, I will be fire.

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My partner has told me that

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they are going to do my makeup.

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Yes.

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Fire and ice is the theme.

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So if you do happen to come out,

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maybe think of fire or ice

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or in your attire.

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Yeah.

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We would love to see you.

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Totally.

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It's going to be funny.

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We'll have a booth.

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So stop by, say hello.

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But yeah.

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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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Sounds good.

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Blah, blah, blah, blah.

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Perfect.

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Bye-bye.

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It is